FROM MOTHER AND DAUGHTER THE OTHER VOICE IN E A R LY M O D E R N EUROPE A Series Edited by Margaret L King and Albert Rabil Jr RECENT BOOKS IN THE SERIES M A R I A G A E TA N A A G N E S I E T A L I A LOUISE LABÉ The Contest for Knowledge: Debates over Women’s Learning in Eighteenth-Century Italy Complete Poetry and Prose: A Bilingual Edition Edited and Tran slated by Rebecca Messbarger and Paula Findlen Edited with Introductions and Prose Translations by Deborah Lesko Baker, with Poetry Translations by Annie Finch MADAME DE MAINTENON FRANCISCA DE LOS APÓSTOLES The Inquisition of Francisca: A Sixteenth-Century Visionary on Trial Edited and Translated by Gillian T.W Ahlgren L A U R A B AT T I F E R R A D E G L I A M M A N N AT I Laura Battiferra and Her Literary Circle: An Anthology Edited and Translated by Victoria Kirkham Dialogues and Addresses Edited and Translated by John J Conley, S.J JOHANNA ELEONORA PETERSEN The Life of Lady Johanna Eleonora Petersen, Written by Herself: Pietism 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des Roches, 1520–1587 Catherine des Roches, 1542–1587 Anne R Larsen is professor of modern and classical languages at Hope College and the editor of the three-volume critical edition of the collected writings of Madeleine and Catherine des Roches The University of Chicago Press, Chicago 60637 The University of Chicago Press, Ltd., London © 2006 by The University of Chicago All rights reserved Published 2006 Printed in the United States of America 15 14 13 12 11 10 09 08 07 06 ISBN: 0-226-72338-0 (paper) ISBN: 0-226-72337-2 (cloth) Excerpts from Les Œuvres © 1993 by Librairie Droz S.A All rights reserved Excerpts from Les Secondes Œuvres © 1998 by Librairie Droz S.A All rights reserved The University of Chicago Press gratefully acknowledges the generous support of James E Rabil, in memory of Scottie W Rabil, toward the publication of this book Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data Des Roches, Madeleine Neveu, dame, ca 1520–1587 [Selections English 2006] From mother and daughter : poems, dialogues, and letters of les dames Des Roches / Madeleine and Catherine Des Roches ; edited and translated by Anne R Larsen.— 1st ed p cm — (The other voice in early modern Europe) Includes bibliographical references and index ISBN 0-226-72337-2 (cloth : alk paper) — ISBN 0-226-72338-0 (pbk : alk paper) I Des Roches, Catherine Fredonnoit, dame, 1542–1587 II Larsen, Anne R III Title IV Series PQ1609.D49A6 2006 841Ј.3 — dc22 2005034483 o The paper used in this publication meets the minimum requirements of the American National Standard for Information Sciences — Permanence of Paper for Printed Library Materials, ANSI Z39.48-1992 To Michael Brinks CONTENTS Acknowledgments ix Series Editors’ Introduction xi Volume Editor’s Introduction Volume Editor’s Bibliography 29 Note on Translation 39 I Selected Poems of Madeleine des Roches from Les Œuvres (1579) 41 II Selected Poems of Catherine des Roches from Les Œuvres (1579) 80 III Selected Poems of Madeleine des Roches and Catherine des Roches from Les Secondes Œuvres (1583) 132 IV The Dialogues of Catherine des Roches from Les Œuvres (1579) and Les Secondes Œuvres (1583) 180 V Selected Letters of Madeleine des Roches and Catherine des Roches from Les Missives (1586) 243 Notes 273 Series Editors’ Bibliography 295 Index 313 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS I am deeply grateful for the kind help and encouragement of my colleagues Brigitte Hamon-Porter, Isabelle Chapuis-Alvarez, Vicki De Vries, Sander de Haan, Paulette Chaponnière, Gloria Tseng, Provost James Boelkins, and Dean William Reynolds from Hope College I thank Sarah Beaubien in the Interlibrary Loan Office at Hope College’s Van Wylen Library My warmest thanks go as well to Marian Rothstein and Julie Campbell for their careful editing of the introduction, and to Régine Reynolds-Cornell, Diana Robin, Cathy Yandell, and Kirk Read for their insightful comments and suggestions on the introductions to the chapters I am grateful to Margaret King and to Albert Rabil Jr for their enthusiastic support of the project and to the editors, especially Susan Tarcov, who worked with me at the University of Chicago Press I thank Max Engammare of Librairie Droz for permission to reprint the following copyrighted French texts from my critical editions of Madeleine and Catherine des Roches, Les Œuvres (Geneva: Droz, 1993) and Les Secondes Œuvres (Geneva: Droz, 1998): from Les Œuvres, (by Madeleine) Epistre aux Dames, Epistre ma Fille, Odes 1, 3, 4, Sonnets 1, 5, 6–9, 11, 15, 16, 20, 22, 35, 36, Epitaphe de feu Maistre Franỗois ẫboissard, Au Roy, Sonnets V, IV; (by Catherine) Epistre sa Mere, Sonnets de Sincero Charite, Sonnets de Charite Sincero, Pour une Mascarade d’Amazones, Chanson des Amazones, A ma quenoille, A mes escrits, Au Roy, A G P., A Ma Mere, La Femme forte descritte par Salomon, L’Agnodice; from Les Secondes Œuvres, (by Madeleine) A ma Fille, Ode 2, Sonnets 1–4, Poitiers Messieurs des Grandz Jours, Huitan; (by Catherine) Epistre sa Mere, Les 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Stuart Women Writers New York: Modern Language Assocation, 2000 311 INDEX Achilles, 151, 261, 261n.84 Adam, 85, 229n.128, 251, 251n.38 Adonis, 151, 239, 291n.69 Aeneas, 147, 250, 250n.32, 261, 261n.84, 277n.59, 291n.60 agency See also Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine Agnodice, 12, 18, 83, 123, 128, 129, 131, 222n.107 Agrippa, Henricus Cornelius, Declamation on the Nobility and Preeminence of the Female Sex, 224n.110, 273n.7, 276n.41, 277nn.5859, 278n.60, 291n.64Ajax, 151, 291n.71 Alenỗon, Franỗois d (brother of Henri III), 7n.24, 44, 285n.74, 279n.77 Alcestis, 95, 283n.44 Alciati, Andrea, A Book of Emblems, 192n.29, 194n.37, 205n.63 Amazons, 10, 11, 12, 81, 107, 109, 284n.61, 63, 293n.101 Amphion, 139, 293n.89 Amphitryon, 139 See also Hercules Amyot, Jacques, 133 Anacreon, 284n.60 annotator, 22, 39, 294n.120 Antoine de Bourbon (king of Navarre), Aphrodite, 291n.69 Apollo, 51, 71, 79, 94, 143, 159, 167, 171, 195n.41, 204, 228n.124, 258, 258n.70, 280n.104, 284n.62, 286n.93, 291n.68, 292nn.72, 84, 293nn.87, 294n.105 Apuleius, Metamorphoses (Golden Ass), 258n.71 Aquinas, Thomas, Summa theologica, 253n.49 Arachne, 167, 293n.103 Arete, 139, 227, 227n.115, 289n.33 Ariosto, Lodovico, 4, 245; Orlando Furioso, 12n.42, 227n.119, 253, 253n.51, 266n.103, 279n.89, 282n.21, 284n.52, 288n.21, 293n.92 Aristotle: De anima, 200n.52; Nicomachean Ethics, 237n.142; On the Generation of Animals, 217n.91; Physics, 253n.49; Poetics, 254n.52 Arria, 223, 223n.109 Aspasia, 143, 290n.46 Astrea, 278n.69 Atalanta, 177, 294n.118 Athena, 82, 163, 185, 213n.80, 220n.98, 228n.124, 277n.56, 291n.59, 293nn.98, 102–103 See also Minerva; Pallas Aubigné, Agrippa d’, 6, 17, 17n.56, 22, 25, 44, 227n.120, 273n.7, 285n.68 Aurelius, Marcus, 133, 287n.5 Ausonius, 278n.61 Baïf, Jean-Antoine de, 4, 5n.16, 7n.21, 8, 283n.42 313 314 Index Beauchamps, P.-F., 25 Bectone, Claude de (or de Bectoz), 281n.8 Belleforest, Franỗois de, 7n.21 Billon, Franỗois de, 277n.58 Binet, Claude, 165, 293n.99 Boccaccio, Giovanni, 4; Famous Women, 224n.112, 228n.122, 277nn.55, 59, 278n.60, 284n.63; Genealogia deorum, 188n.23, 209n.71 Bouchet, Guillaume, Bouchet, Jean, Boulet, Jeanne de, baronne de Germoles, 8, 258n.74 Brachart, Charlotte de, 273n.7 Brantôme, Pierre de Bourdeille, abbé de, 135, 281n.14 Brochart, René, 135, 149, 291n.65 Budé, Guillaume, 45 Cailler, Raoul, 8, 257n.66 Cailler, Suzanne, Camilla, 61, 277n.59 Campiglia, Maddalena, 288n.22 Carmenta, 44, 257n.67, 277n.54 See also Nicostrata Castiglione, Baldassare, 228n.121; The Book of the Courtier, 182, 205n.63, 214n.85, 253n.49, 282n.23, 283n.46 Catherine de Médicis (queen mother), 7, 7n.24, 9, 10, 20, 81, 82, 238n.143, 285nn.73, 76 Catherine of Aragon (queen of England), 180 Catholic, 6, 20n.75, 24, 220n.99, 293n.91 Ceres, 15, 44, 59, 272 Charite See also Des Roches, Catherine Charles VII (king), 14, 285n.72 Charles IX (king), 7, 9, 279n.79, 284n.55 chastity, 109, 111, 127, 171 Chasteigner, Perrine, 8, 292n.78 Chộmeraut, Franỗoise, 8, 247, 269, 269n.112 Chémeraut, Madeleine, 8, 18, 135, 153, 155, 268, 268n.108, 269n.112, 292n.78 Cicero, 43, 181, 182n.9, 224n.110, 270nn.119–120, 285n.75; Brutus, 270n.119; The Orator, 282n.23 civil wars, 2, 6, 11, 185, 263n.93 Clain, 4, 59, 117, 238, 259, 259n.80; and the Poets, 4n.10, 277n.53 Claudian, 272; De raptu Proserpinae (or The Rape of Proserpina), 5, 15, 245, 271n.124 Cleobulina, 224, 224n.111, 227n.114, 290n.45 See also Eumetis Clermont, Claude-Catherine de, maréchale de Retz, 12n.42, 22, 22n.84, 25, 182n.7, 273n.1, 279n.77, 288n.21 Clytia, 151, 230, 230n.131, 291n.67 Coignard, Gabrielle de, Spiritual Sonnets, 281n.18, 285n.65 Coligny, Gaspard de, 6, 14, 289n.38 Colletet, Guillaume, 5n.15, 25 Colonna, Vittoria, 182n.10 Commines, Philippe de, 254, 254n.54 Corinna, 277n.58 Cornelia, 224, 224n.110 Cossé, Timoléon de, comte de Brissac, 7, 7nn.21–22, 12, 253nn.48, 51 Coste, Hilarion de, 17, 17n.57, 25 coterie See also Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine Crenne, Helisenne de, Personal and Invective Letters, 282nn.21–22, 211n.73, 243n.1 Deborah, 221, 221n.104 Descartes, René, 291n.65 Desportes, Philippe, 7nn.21, 24, 12n.42 Des Roches, Catherine: as Charite, 7n.24, 9, 12, 14, 22, 80, sonnet nos 87–107, 182n.7, 185, 213–216, 268, 284nn.59–60, 286n.96; and education, 180; and education of girls, 2, 14, 132, 181, 247; and friendship, 262, 270; and love between women, 135; and marriage, Index 149, 163; and nursing, 5, 45, 136; and pastoral, 14; and political discourse, 10; and writing, 111, 113, 135, 161 See also Fradonnet, Catherine; and individual works Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine: and agency, 2, 7, 21, 23, 132, 135; and coterie, 1, 2, 3, 7–8, 14, 17, 17n.54, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 252n.46; and death, 15; and education, 3–6, 18; and friendship, 136, 247, 249; and ill health, 248; and income, 3, 6; and legal and financial difficulties, 6, 7, 45, 79, 141, 254n.55, 255, 260n.81, 278n.71, 280n.92; and literary authority, 4; and marriage, 43, 53, 145; and mother-daughter bond, 1, 20, 81; and pen, 16, 18, 20, 21, 27, 47, 59, 80, 81, 82, 87, 111, 143, 153, 161, 177, 180–81, 250nn.34–35; and poetic fame, 5; and political discourse, 18; and surname, 3; and writing, 69, 177, 180, 254 See also Fradonnet, Catherine; Neveu, Madeleine; and individual works Des Roches, Madeleine: and education, 2; and friendship, 3, 262, 270; and ill health, 258, 263, 264, 270, 278nn.64, 71; and life, 1; and marriage, 2, 53, 278n.72; and motherhood, 5, 45, 53, 79; and nursing, 5, 45, 135; and widowhood, 3; and writing, 141 See also Neveu, Madeleine; and individual works Diana, 136, 165, 177, 191n.27, 212, 228, 229, 277n.59, 293n.101 Diotima, 143, 263, 263n.94, 290n.47 distaff, 12, 80, 81, 82, 111, 121 Dorat, Jean, 7n.21, 45 Dreux du Radier, Jean-Franỗois, 25 Du Bellay, Joachim, 4, 26, 26n.100, 45; Dộfense et Illustration de la langue Franỗoyse, 270n.120, 271n.122 Du Faur de Pibrac, Guy, 133 Du Four, Antoine, 284n.63 Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 7n.24 Du Tronchet, Étienne, 15, 245n.6; Lettres missives et familières, 245 Du Verdier de Vauprivas, Antoine, 23n.92 duc dAnjou, 264n.95, 267n.104, 279n.77 See also Henri III ẫboissard, Franỗois, 3, 3n.6, 4, 12, 75, 253n.50, 264, 265, 265n.100, 280n.95, 289n.32 Ebreo, Leone, Dialoghi d’amore, 183n.12 Echo, 119, 145, 286n.80 education, 3–6, 18, 180 Elizabeth I (queen of England), 44, 279n.77 Empedocles, 133 Emponina, 223, 223n.109 envy, 55, 83, 123, 125, 127, 128, 129, 139, 276n.47, 282n.21 Epictetus, 133, 287n.5 Erasmus, 4, 42, 43, 181, 228n.125; Adages, 188n.22, 195n.42; De conscribendis epistolis, 249; The Girl with No Interest in Marriage, 213n.79; The Institution of Marriage, 221n.102; The New Mother, 5n.13; Praise of Folly, 204n.58; The Repentant Girl, 213n.79 Eros, 276n.37 Eudocia (empress, wife of Emperor Theodosius II), 227, 227n.116 Eumetis, 143, 224n.111, 227, 227n.114, 290n.45 See also Cleobulina Eve, 229n.128, 251 Faye d’Espeisses, Jacques, 248, 267, 267n.104 Faye, Jeanne, 267n.104 Fedele, Cassandra, 12n.42, 183, 233n.133, 236, 236n.138, 264, 264nn.96–97, 265n.99 Feugère, Léon, 28 Ficino, Marsilio, 4; Commentary on Plato’s Symposium on Love, 213n.84, 236n.136, 237n.142, 283nn.34–35, 44, 47–48, 54, 286n.81 Fonte, Moderata, 183, 183n.11, 185n.19 315 316 Index Fradonnet, André, 2, 3n.6 Fradonnet, Catherine See also Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine Franỗois I (king), 7, 134, 243n.1 Galen, 259, 259n.79 Germigny, Jacques de, baron de Germoles, 8, 248, 258, 258n.74, 259n.76 Glaucus, 127, 161 Gouget, Claude-Pierre, 25 Gournay, Marie de, 11n.40, 25, 81, 224n.110, 237n.139, 273n.7, 281n.9, 289n.33 Grands Jours, 8, 8n.29, 13, 14, 17, 19, 21, 22, 39, 274n.8, 133, 134, 136, 145, 173, 227n.120, 255n.57, 257n.66, 267n.104, 288n.12, 289n.40, 290n.54, 292nn.75, 85, 293n.91, 294n.117 Grenộ, Franỗoise, Grenộ, Marie, Guersens, Caye-Jules de, Panthée, Guillaume, Jacquette, 25, 25n.97 Guise, Henri de (duc), 6, Henri II (king), 7, 21, 43, 134, 182n.7 Henri III (king, Henri d’Anjou), 6, 7, 7n.24, 9, 10, 13, 19, 21, 44, 81, 258n.74, 264n.95, 267n.104, 273n.2, 279n.79, 280nn.100, 102, 284nn.55, 61, 285nn.70, 74 Henri de Navarre (king, Henri IV), 10n.34 Henry VIII (king of England), 180 Heraclitus, 133, 192n.28, 229n.127, 230n.129, 292n.81, 293n.97 Hercules, 18, 45, 187n.21, 201n.53, 261n.86, 262n.87, 285n.64, 289nn.36–37, 266n.102 Herodotus, 4; History, 205n.60, 278n.60, 279nn.83, 86, 285n.69, 286nn.86, 88 Hesiod, 4, 209n.70, 259n.75; Works and Days, 276n.35 Horace, 4, 285n.79; Art of Poetry, 254n.52 Horapollo, 294n.110 Huguenots, 14, 44, 71, 72, 73, 279n.80, 287n.5, 290nn.56–57, 195nn.39, 42 See also Protestants Hyginus, 276n.43, 286n.82, 291n.68, 195n.38 Iris, 91, 180, 181, 183, 217n.90, dialogue: 229–242, 283n.38 Isaure, Clémence, 228, 228n.123 Jacob, Louis, 25 Jamyn, Amadis, 7n.21 Jeanne d’Albret (queen of Navarre), 279n.81 Jeanne de Bourbon (abbesse de SainteCroix), 135, 161, 293n.88 Joan of Arc, 285n.72 Jupiter, 51, 87, 204 Justin, 4, 84, 279nn.83–84 Justinian I, 227n.117 Kéralio, Louise de, Collection des Meilleurs Ouvrages Franỗois, composộs par des Femmes, 27, 27n.108 Labé, Louise, 22n.88, 23, 82, 283n.43; Debate of Folly and Love, 11, 11n.41, 185, 185n.17, 204n.58, 209n.71; Elegy III, 281nn.6, 13, 283nn.41, 43, 285n.77 La Croix du Maine, Franỗois Grudộ de, 23, 23n.92 Laertius, Diogenes, 224n.111, 229n.127; Lives of Philosophers, 133 La Forge, Jean de, 25 La Noue, Franỗois de, L’Angelier, Abel, 8n.26, 11, 11n.40, 12, 13, 13n.43, 14, 15, 23n.92, 244, 245, 256, 256nn.60–61, 63, 65, 271, 271n.124, 272, 273n.1 L’Anglois, Pierre, 22, 23n.90 L’Aubespine, Madeleine de, dame de Villeroy, 11n.40, 12n.42, 22, 22n.85, 273n.1, 288n.21, 268n.110 La Borderie, Jean Boiceau de, 4, 44 La Péruse, Jean Bastier de, Index La Popelinière, Lancelot de, La Porte, Joseph de, 25 Lavau, Jean de (or La Vau), 255, 255n.57, 292n.75 Lavau, Marie de, 153, 292n.75 law, 2, 2n.4, 14, 16, 19 lawsuit See also Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine, and legal and financial difficulties Le Caron, Louis, 182, 197n.44 Le Fèvre de la Boderie, Guy, 22, 22n.89 Le Franc, Martin, 273n.7 Le Gendre, Marie (dame de Rivéry), 11n.40; Dialogue des chastes Amours d’Eros et de Kalisti, 24, 24n.95, 209n.71 Le Grand, Louis, 24, 24n.94 Liberge, Marin, Logistilla, 12n.42, 73, 135, 163, 266n.103, 279n.89, 288n.21 Loisel, Antoine, 13 Louise de Lorraine (or Louise de Vaudémont, queen), 10, 285n.76 Loynes, Antoinette de, 22, 228n.125, 273n.1 Lusignan, 293n.91 Lycurgus, 19, 143 Macrin, Jean Salmon, Manteanus, Baptista (Spagnuoli), 250, 250n.37 Marguerite de France (sister of Henri II), 21, 43, 82, 182n.7 Marguerite de Navarre (queen, sister of Franỗois I), 9, 184, 184n.14, 228n.125, 243n.1, 247n.19 Marinella, Lucrezia, 227n.114, 282n.21 Marquets, Anne de, 281n.8 Marot, Clément, 288n.16, 267n.104 Mars, 69, 71, 109, 263, 267, 292n.74 Martesia, 81, 109, 284n.63 Martyr, Justin, Saint, 133 Mary Tudor (queen of England), 180, 279n.78 Medea, 12, 218, 218nn.92–93 Melusina, 161, 293n.91 Mercury, 63, 171, 201, 201n.54, 202, 204 Minerva, 165, 263, 277n.56, 288n.15, 293n.101 See also Pallas Minut, Charlotte de, 9n.32, 281n.8 Mirandola, Pico della, Montaigne, 21n.82, 273n.7, 221n.103 Morata, Olympia, 12n.42, 182, 183n.11, 227n.120, 233n.133, 276n.45 Morel, Camille de, 81 Morel, Diane de, 217n.90, 228n.125, 273n.1 Morel, Jean de, 21, 217n.90, 228n.125, 273n.1 Mornac, Antoine, 25 Muret, Marc-Antoine, Narcissus, 291n.70 Neptune, 51 Neveu, Madeleine, 2, 280n.95, 282n.31 See also Des Roches, Madeleine Nicostrata, 277n.54 See also Carmenta nobility of the robe, 1, 3n.9, 16, 24 nursing See also Des Roches, Catherine Omphale, 262n.87, 285n.64 Orithya, 81, 109 Orpheus, 133, 139, 145, 293n.89 Ovid, 4; Metamorphoses, 239n.145, 240n.146, 276n.43, 277n.55, 278n.64, 279n.87, 286nn.80, 93, 291nn.68–71, 293n.87, 294nn.115, 118 Palace Academy, 10, 21 Pallas, 82, 147, 181n.6, 185, 213, 213n.80, 220n.98, 228n.124, 277n.56, 291n.59, 293n.102 See also Athena; Minerva Parent, Jean, 11n.41 Pasithée, 180, 181, 182, 183, 183n.13, 185, 217n.90, 223; and dialogue, 229–242 Pasquier, Étienne, 8, 8n.26, 13, 21, 22, 23, 25, 44, 80, 81, 133, 161, 163, 182, 249, 274n.8, 281n.7, 287n.9, 292nn.85–86, 293n.96; Lettres, 245, 245n.6 317 318 Index Paul III (pope), 227n.118 Peletier du Mans, Jacques, 4, 22, 22n.88, 283n.43 Pellejay, Claude, 9, 9n.30, 22, 284nn.53, 55, 246, 264, 264n.95 pen See also Des Roches, Madeleine and Catherine Penelope, 258, 258n.72 Petrarch, 4, 9, 80, 134, 213n.82, 230; Rime sparse, 278n.67, 282n.33, 283nn.36,39, 40–43, 278n.67 Philip II (king of Spain), 238n.143, 279n.78 Phoebus, 73, 163, 230n.131 See also Apollo Pindar, 277n.58 Pithon, 165, 171, 293n.101 Pizan, Christine de, 9n.32, 20, 44, 273n.7, 274n.18, 277n.54; City of Ladies, 205nn.60, 62, 228n.122, 237n.139, 277nn.55, 59, 282n.21, 284n.63 Plato, 4, 276n.39; Menexenus, 290n.46; Phaedo, 278n.73, 279n.88, 286n.89; Phaedrus, 215n.86, 280n.91, 292n.79; Republic, 190n.25; Symposium, 190n.25, 204nn.58–59, 207n.68, 211nn.75–76, 263n.94, 276n.37, 283n.44, 284n.48, 286n.81, 290n.47, 293n.93; Timaeus, 199n.50, 215n.86, 278n.66, 290n.42 Pléiade, 7, 18, 21, 43, 44, 45, 80, 82, 134, 182, 250n.34, 265n.98, 267n.106, 275n.34, 276nn.40, 44, 277n.53, 278n.62 Plutarch, 4; Lives: Antony, 198n.46; Aristides, 286nn.86, 88; Brutus, 224n.112, 251n.39; Coriolanus, 193n.32; Demetrios, 252n.47, Lycurgus, 294n.116; Numa, 292n.76; Pericles, 290n.46; Phocion, 286n.90; Pyrrhus, 198n.45, 207n.67; Sulla, 198n.47; Themistocles, 286n.87; Theseus, 286n.85; Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, 224n.110; Timoleon, 194n.33; Virtuous Deeds of Women (or Bravery of Women), 225, 233n.133; Moralia: Concerning Talkativeness, 192n.29, 205n.63; De Gloria atheniensium, 277n.58; Dinner of the Seven Wise Men, 207n.66, 224n.111; Love Stories, 223n.109; On Brotherly Love, 200n.52; On the Fortune of the Romans, 193nn.30, 32; Precepts of Marriage (or Advice to Bride and Groom), 221n.102, 225, 290n.45; Sayings of Kings and Commanders, 194n.34; Sayings of the Spartans, 256n.62; Sayings of the Spartan Women, 282n.27 Poitiers, 1, 2n.3, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 8n.25, 9– 10, 10n.35, 11, 11n.38, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16n.49, 20, 22, 23, 27, 41, 42, 44, 55, 59, 81, 117, 133, 136, 138n.144, 145, 173, 184, 193n.30, 195nn.39, 42, 196, 198, 199, 247, 248, 255n.57, 256n.60, 257n.66, 259, 259nn.78, 80, 262, 263n.93, 267n.104, 268, 279n.82, 280n.99, 284n.61, 289nn.29, 38, 40, 290n.55, 293n.88; and Edict of, 10 See also Clain Poitou, 4, 23, 23n.92, 44, 185, 268n.108 Politiques, the party, 20, 20n.75, 44 Poliziano, Angelo, 183, 233n.133, 236, 236n.138, 264, 264n.97, 265n.99 Portia, 224, 224n.112 Poullain de la Barre, Franỗois, 273n.7 Proba, Faltonia Betitia, 228n.122 Prometheus, 143, 147, 165, 290n.44, 291n.58 Proserpina, 271, 277n.55 Protestants, 6, 20, 20n.75, 24, 44, 133, 195n.40, 293n.91 Pythagoras, 6, 291n.61; Carmina aurea (Golden Verse, or Vers dorez), 5n.16, 14; Symbola (or Enigmes), 5, 14 querelle des femmes, 42, 282n.21 Rabelais, 290n.51 Radegonde, Saint, 279n.82 Rapin, Nicolas, 8, 12n.42, 22, 257n.66 Reformed, 220n.99 Index religious wars, 2, 133, 184, 203, 203n.57 Romieu, Marie de, 274n.11, 292n.78 Ronsard, 22, 24, 26, 26n.100, 43, 45, 82, 133, 135, 192n.28, 230n.130, 268, 268n.110, 275n.34, 277n.53, 82, 281n.15, 284n.61, 285nn.65, 68, 292nn.74, 79, 292nn.74, 79 Rousseau, 250n.33 Saint-Vertunien, Franỗois de, 11n.39, 44 Sainte-Marthe, Scộvole de, 4, 5, 5n.15, 7, 7n.21, 8n.25, 10, 15, 22, 25, 285n.76 Sales, Franỗois de, Saint: Introdution de la vie dévote, 39 Salic Law, 281n.9 Sallust, 4, 271n.122 Saturn, 71, 79, 254, 254n.53 Scaliger, Joseph-Juste, 4, 10, 11, 44, 252n.46, 285n.76 Scève, Maurice, 283n.42 Schurman, Anna Maria van, 228n.122, 273n.7 Scudéry, Madeleine de, 17, 17nn.54, 58, 25, 25n.99, 26, 27, 27n.106; Conversations nouvelles sur divers sujets, 25, 184; Illustrious Women, or the Heroic Harangues, 25, 25n.102, 26 Seneca, 133, 181, 287n.5 Sigea, Luisa, 183, 183n.11, 227, 227n.118 Sincero, 9, 12, 14, 22, 80, 81, 85, and sonnet nos 87–107, 185, 213–216, 268, 268n.110, 284nn.53, 59, 286n.96 Socrates, 125, 263n.94, 286n.89, 290n.47 Solomon, 10, 12, 18, 20, 20n.77, 77, 83, 117, 285n.76 Solon, 143 spindle, 80, 81, 82, 111, 119, 180 Suchon, Gabrielle, 273n.7 Sybil, 227, 291n.60 Syrinx, 175, 294n.115 Tahureau, Jacques, 4, Telesilla, 233, 233n.133 Terracina, Laura, 12n.42, 23n.91, 227, 227n.119 Thalia, 169 Themis, 145 Theocritus, 285n.65, 286n.94 Theodora (empress, wife of Justinian I), 227, 277n.117 Theodosius II, 227n.116 Theseus, 125, 286n.85 Thetis, 177 Thomas, Artus, 273n.7 Tillet, Titon du, 25 Tomyris, 61 Torella, Ippolita, 12n.42, 228n.121 Trismegistus, Hermes, 291n.64 Turnèbe, Odet de, 95, 135, 159, 161, 293nn.91, 292n.85 Tyard, Pontus de, 10, 135, 182, 230n.129, 283n.41 Venus, 135, 163, 204, 230, 284n.62, 293n.93 Virgil, 4, 228, 228n.122, 261; Aeneid, 250n.32, 277nn.55, 59, 291n.60 virtue, 5, 16, 17, 42, 43, 49, 51, 61, 77, 87, 99, 111, 115, 121, 131, 135, 157, 159, 161, 163, 165, 171, 193, 219, 249, 252, 254, 255, 257, 258, 265, 266, 275n.26 Vives, Juan Luis, 42, 180nn.2–3, 181; De ratione studii puerilis, 180; Education of a Christian Woman, 5n.13, 180n.1, 181, 205n.63, 224n.111, 236n.135 wars, 9n.32; and civil, 2, 6, 11, 77; of religion, 2, 10, 16, 20n75, 43 See also civil wars; religious wars Xenophon: Apology of Socrates, 286n.89; Cyropaedia, 282n.23; Economicus, 181, 220, 220n.97 319 ... English 2006] From mother and daughter : poems, dialogues, and letters of les dames Des Roches / Madeleine and Catherine Des Roches ; edited and translated by Anne R Larsen.— 1st ed p cm — (The other. .. (1583) 132 IV The Dialogues of Catherine des Roches from Les Œuvres (1579) and Les Secondes Œuvres (1583) 180 V Selected Letters of Madeleine des Roches and Catherine des Roches from Les Missives... Edited and Translated by Mary B McKinley Edited and Translated by Donna Kuizenga MARIE DENTIÈRE Madeleine and Catherine des Roches FROM MOTHER AND DAUGHTER Poems, Dialogues, and Letters of Les Dames