ELI Spring Focus Session | Participant Chat: Links and Abbreviated Transcript Multiple Lessons Learned from Implementing MOOC Environments at San Jose State University April 4, 2013: 12:35 p.m ET (UTC-4; 12:00 p.m CT, 11:00 a.m MT, 10:00 a.m PT) Session Chat (MST) Stephen Downes: (10:39) First MOOC for credit was in 2008, CCVK08, University of Manitoba, Canada Stephen Downes: (10:39) CCK08 ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:40) That wasn't a "real" MOOC, though Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:40) define rreal mooc please ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:40) Inside joke Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:41) good to know, as I attended that first adventure, and it certainly seemed like a MOOC to me :-) ELI134Attendee2 @ Duke University: (10:41) There should be an option for "already creating MOOCs." :-) Stephen Downes: (10:41) @ELI134 goodness I thought you were serious for a sec suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (10:41) @ Fairbanks how could the first MOOC not have been a 'real' MOOC? In what ways? Michael Feldstein: (10:42) I like yesterday's suggestion of calling them "Massive Open Online Courses Or Whatever (MOOCOW)" VictoriaGetis@ Northwestern University: (10:42) @Michael love it! Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:42) :-) ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:43) @stephen I'm rarely serious Stephen Downes: (10:44) lol ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:44) @Stephen Was actually bemoaning the lack of discussion about cMOOCs Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:45) what is "cMoocs" DELTA @ NCSU: (10:46) Sounds more like flipped class than a MOOC Malcolm Brown, ELI: (10:46) @delta exactly Center for Teaching and Learning @ Cal State Sacramento: (10:47) Beatrice.russell:what is the difference between using a LMS ( i.e Blackboard) and MOOC? Jill Leafstedt: (10:47) So, they used EdX content with SJSU faculty serving as support and advisors? Scott Simkins @ North Carolina A&T State Univ: (10:47) @DELTA:There's a (1) on that slide I'm assuming there's more coming Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (10:47) Was exam f2f? Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:47) Why is this so unique?Many other institutions are 'flipping'- this one just happed to use a MOOC that they didn't develop instead of some other learning activities developed by faculty or textbook or publisher content ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:48) Wow, that is quite a change Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:48) Udadicty/Coursera/edX are referred to as examples of xMOOCs/ cMOOCs (Connectivist MOOCs), Stephen Downes: (10:48) Can't generalize on results from one course Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:49) woops let me say that clearer cMOOCs conectivist MOOCs Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:49) xMOOCs Undadicty/Coursera/edX Kate Beverage @ Worcester Polytechnic Inst: (10:49) was the facilitator of the MOOC the same person who instructed the "regular" course? Peter Whitmer @ Pearson: (10:49) 100 students, there's that MOOCOW acronym again Maggie Lattuca @ McGill University: (10:50) What distinguishes this from a regular hybrid course? ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:50) Not much Jill Leafstedt: (10:50) how is 100 massive? MOOCOW ELI134Attendee22 @university: (10:50) If you have to pay , register, and it is capped at 100 then missing the M and O of MOOCs ? Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:51) Howdo the costs work on this?Lots of labor for people and face time and expensive production but cheap student cost.Assume this is for a loss and thought is long term strategic investmetn (with help from Gates?) ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:51) How much is robust compensation? Stephen Downes: (10:51) I'm not seeing the relevance of this talk to MOOCs ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:52) Perhaps the M stands for "money." ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:52) Branding Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:52) @ Stephen - I think the trick is that it's with Udacity Stephen Downes: (10:52) yeah Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:52) how can students with learning disabilities such as ADD ever be able to successfull participate in a MOOC? Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:52) I would like to know how faculty is compensated for teaching a MOOC class Thanks! Malcolm Brown, ELI: (10:52) I think this is very relevant.It is the way the MOOC will evolve going forward Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:53) DUH!Nothing new here Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:53) is it considered as a normal course load? Adrienne Gauthier & Crew @ Dartmouth College: (10:53) @downes I think the relevance is to show other things that MOOCs can enable Stephen Downes: (10:53) No - there's *not* always going to be an element of F2F - that's just the way the speaker did it Stephen Downes: (10:53) I love how she represents the choices they made as 'inevitable' ELI134Attendee22 @ Dublin City University: (10:53) Not sure if there is a natural continuum from Online to MOOCs Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:53) for poll at right.Need an ALL OF THE ABOVE Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:54) @ Sheri - LOL I agree! :) ELI134Attendee3@CSU San Marcos: (10:54) What was the ratio of course mentors to students? Who were the mentors and how were they trained? Chris Lott @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:54) I'd like to hear how this info on MOOCs would be at all different from any generic info on MOOCs from any admin who has Googled for a few minutes Stephen Downes: (10:54) There is no continuum - but saying there is one allows you to miscrepresent a closed offline on-campus course as a MOOC suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (10:55) Are there any preliminary findings about underserved students? Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:55) I would like to know how SJSU faculty are compensated for teaching MOOCs Is it considered as a normal course load? Penn State - University Park: (10:56) How does a MOOC offered for credit & $$ differ from a San Jose online course that uses Udacity as its delivery platform?? Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:56) How did the teaching/learning paradigm changed for this process?These ideas don't seem very different that a good course development process Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (10:56) What was the true cost (not the price) to provide these courses for your students (say for the stats course)? Stephen Downes: (10:56) It's "Not all MOOCs are created equal" not "All MOOCs are not created equal" ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:56) Is it your intention to use MOOCs to reduce personel or you view it as a tool to better education Randal Baier @ Eastern Michigan University: (10:56) @Stephen wouldn't MOOC-as-core-content be part of that continuum? Pamela Giles - Indiana Wesleyan University: (10:56) Please explain the dollar numbers on the second slide.To what they refer? Chris Lott @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:57) @stephen the closed offline on campus course can be renamed the ZBBP - simple rot13 and all done Stephen Downes: (10:57) @Randal - no - because a MOOC is not = to its core content Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (10:57) Can your $150 model scale? What would be the supplemental investment necessary from the institution or other funders per student per course? Stephen Downes: (10:57) The 'core' of a MOOC isn't the content, it's the open online community and interaction Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:58) @ Stephen Agreed Heidi Olson-University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:58) well said @stephen ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:58) @stephen Try monetizing that Stephen Downes: (10:58) The content is (as I've often said) the 'McGuffin' - it gets the MOOC off the ground, but its interchangable DELTA @ NCSU: (10:58) @Chris - you date back to usenet? :-) Randal Baier @ Eastern Michigan University: (10:58) @Stephen OK, the MOO part yes, I see your point Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (10:59) Wondered when the MOO would come up Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:59) How you justify this cost to your governing board? ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (11:00) Coming to the realization that my courses are 00s Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (11:00) that course mentor sounds very similar to southern new hampshire and their program Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (11:00) None of the other MOOCs have course mentors? Stephen Downes: (11:00) Yes there are many claims in this talk of 'first' and 'only' that aren't really so Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (11:00) Can the course mentor model scale?What is your next experiment in increasing the size? ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (11:01) Did students have more contact time with instructoirs for the flipped EdEx classroom? suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (11:01) Do they hanve any preliminary results about how well underserved students are doing and which interventions are making the difference? Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (11:01) With Udacity providing mentor and ProctorU costs, does the $150 cover all costs? ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (11:02) Do you feele you have a COI with edex considering your position? Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (11:02) Are mentors = faculty? Stephen Downes: (11:02) The term 'underserved' is really pernicious - because it's so close to 'undeserved' Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (11:02) It is understandable that the economic model is being discovered, but the costs should be able to be enumerated ELI134Attendee4 @ Syracuse University: (11:03) Why $150 per course?