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2012
NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTUREBANK:
MORE BUREAUCRACYANDMOREREDTAPE
(112–55)
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON
HIGHWAYS AND TRANSIT
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON
TRANSPORTATION AND
INFRASTRUCTURE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
OCTOBER 12, 2011
Printed for the use of the
Committee on Transportation andInfrastructure
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committee.action?chamber=house&committee=transportation
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COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION ANDINFRASTRUCTURE
JOHN L. MICA, Florida, Chairman
DON YOUNG, Alaska
THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin
HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina
JOHN J. DUNCAN, J
R
., Tennessee
FRANK A. L
O
BIONDO, New Jersey
GARY G. MILLER, California
TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois
SAM GRAVES, Missouri
BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania
SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia
JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio
CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan
DUNCAN HUNTER, California
ANDY HARRIS, Maryland
ERIC A. ‘‘RICK’’ CRAWFORD, Arkansas
JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington
FRANK C. GUINTA, New Hampshire
RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois
LOU BARLETTA, Pennsylvania
CHIP CRAVAACK, Minnesota
BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas
LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana
BILLY LONG, Missouri
BOB GIBBS, Ohio
PATRICK MEEHAN, Pennsylvania
RICHARD L. HANNA, New York
JEFFREY M. LANDRY, Louisiana
STEVE SOUTHERLAND II, Florida
JEFF DENHAM, California
JAMES LANKFORD, Oklahoma
REID J. RIBBLE, Wisconsin
CHARLES J. ‘‘CHUCK’’ FLEISCHMANN,
Tennessee
NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia
PETER A. D
E
FAZIO, Oregon
JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois
ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of
Columbia
JERROLD NADLER, New York
CORRINE BROWN, Florida
BOB FILNER, California
EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas
ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland
LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa
TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania
RICK LARSEN, Washington
MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts
TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York
MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine
RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri
GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California
DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii
JASON ALTMIRE, Pennsylvania
TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota
HEATH SHULER, North Carolina
STEVE COHEN, Tennessee
LAURA RICHARDSON, California
ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey
DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland
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S
UBCOMMITTEE ON
H
IGHWAYS AND
T
RANSIT
JOHN J. DUNCAN, J
R
., Tennessee, Chairman
DON YOUNG, Alaska
THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin
HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina
FRANK A. L
O
BIONDO, New Jersey
GARY G. MILLER, California
TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois
SAM GRAVES, Missouri
BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania
SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia
JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio
CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan
ANDY HARRIS, Maryland
ERIC A. ‘‘RICK’’ CRAWFORD, Arkansas
JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington
FRANK C. GUINTA, New Hampshire
LOU BARLETTA, Pennsylvania
BLAKE FARENTHOLD, Texas
LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana
BILLY LONG, Missouri
BOB GIBBS, Ohio
RICHARD L. HANNA, New York, Vice Chair
STEVE SOUTHERLAND II, Florida
JOHN L. MICA, Florida (Ex Officio)
PETER A. D
E
FAZIO, Oregon
JERROLD NADLER, New York
BOB FILNER, California
LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa
TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania
MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts
MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine
GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California
MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii
JASON ALTMIRE, Pennsylvania
TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota
HEATH SHULER, North Carolina
STEVE COHEN, Tennessee
LAURA RICHARDSON, California
ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey
DONNA F. EDWARDS, Maryland
EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas
ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland
NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia
(Ex Officio)
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CONTENTS Page
Summary of Subject Matter vi
TESTIMONY
Ridley, Hon. Gary, Secretary of Transportation, Oklahoma Department of
Transportation 11
Roth, Gabriel, Civil Engineer and Transport Economist, The Independent
Institute 11
Thomasson, Scott, Economic and Domestic Policy Director, Progressive Policy
Institute 11
Utt, Ronald D., Ph.D., Herbert and Joyce Morgan Senior Research Fellow,
The Heritage Foundation 11
Yarema, Geoffrey S., Chair, Infrastructure Practice Group, Nossaman LLP 11
PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
Johnson, Hon. Eddie Bernice, of Texas 47
PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY WITNESSES
Ridley, Hon. Gary 50
Roth, Gabriel 59
Thomasson, Scott 67
Utt, Ronald D., Ph.D. 79
Yarema, Geoffrey S. 90
SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD
Ridley, Hon. Gary, Secretary of Transportation, Oklahoma Department of
Transportation responses to questions from Hon. John J. Duncan, Jr., a
Representative in Congress from the State of Tennessee, and Hon. Mazie
K. Hirono, a Representative in Congress from the State of Hawaii 55
Roth, Gabriel, Civil Engineer and Transport Economist, The Independent
Institute:
Supplementary remarks submitted for the record 38, 41
Responses to questions from Hon. John J. Duncan, Jr., a Representa-
tive in Congress from the State of Tennessee, and Hon. Mazie
K. Hirono, a Representative in Congress from the State of Hawaii . 65
Utt, Ronald D., Ph.D., Herbert and Joyce Morgan Senior Research Fellow,
The Heritage Foundation, responses to questions from Hon. John J. Dun-
can, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Tennessee, and
Hon. Mazie K. Hirono, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Hawaii 87
Yarema, Geoffrey S., Chair, Infrastructure Practice Group, Nossaman LLP:
Supplementary remarks submitted for the record 39
Responses to questions from Hon. Mazie K. Hirono, a Representative
in Congress from the State of Hawaii, and Hon. Laura Richardson,
a Representative in Congress from the State of California 97
ADDITIONS TO THE RECORD
American Society of Civil Engineers, written statement 100
Hutchison, Hon. Kay Bailey, a U.S. Senator from the State of Texas, letter
to Hon. John L. Mica, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Florida, October 12, 2011 105
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[...]... ‘ NationalInfrastructureBank:MoreBureaucracyandMoreRed Tape. ’’ This is certainly a prematurely formed opinion on this matter, and I hope that the majority will keep an open mind on the proposal of a nationalinfrastructure development bank, moving ahead The creation of the nationalinfrastructure development bank to leverage private and public capital to finance nationally and regionally significant infrastructure. . .NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTUREBANK:MOREBUREAUCRACYANDMOREREDTAPE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON HIGHWAYS AND TRANSIT, COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, Washington, DC The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:00 a.m in Room 2167, Rayburn... does set the standard for planning and long-term research, and looking out on the horizon to see what is coming up on things I am glad that we are taking the time to discuss the issue of the nationalinfrastructure bank, as well, before we get in a hurry to do something, and end up creating another labyrinth of redtapeand another Federal program to solve the previous labyrinth of redtapeand the previous... Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act program While the TIFIA program focuses on helping fund traditional surface transportation projects with Federal credit assistance, the AIFA would expand eligibility, eligible infrastructure projects, to include not only highways and bridges, but also transit projects: airports, inland waterways, and rail systems, and water infrastructures, dams and levees,... certainly right—we can create hundreds of thousands of badly needed jobs and build critically important infrastructure with a federally supported bank What is ironic, however, is that we already have a nationalinfrastructure bank for transportation And as you have heard today, it is called TIFIA And Congressman Johnson has been one of the longest standing supporters of TIFIA, and we can’t thank you enough... Mr THOMASSON There are And I think if you have a more adequately staffed and professionally run nationalinfrastructure bank with project finance experience on those big types of projects, we as a country will be better able to handle them We are not very good at those large projects, currently You also see the nationalinfrastructure bank as a platform for credit expertise and for the Federal Government—could... levees, as well as energy infrastructureand others These national programs would work with State infrastructure banks to enhance our country’s aging infrastructure system They are regional proposals to improve the financing expensive infrastructure projects and enjoy the support of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents So, I look forward to hearing the witnesses today, and I thank you very much... the jobs bill The bipartisan infrastructure bank will not be a sprawling Federal bureaucracy that entangles States and regulations in redtape It will be an optional financing tool that is available to empower States and local governments to invest in transportation, energy, and water projects, and it will be staffed by financial professionals, not bureaucrats The bipartisan infrastructure bank will also... trillion backlog of infrastructure that we have to make We are investing about 1.5 percent of GDP andinfrastructure annually China is something like 6 or 7 percent Our infrastructure, as we all know, is falling behind our international competitors It makes our economy less competitive, as well as making daily life more stressful andmore expensive We have got to start investing a lot more The country... on a very important topic And I think the administration’s proposal for a nationalinfrastructure bank deserves our review and consideration I have been a strong proponent of creative and innovative financing methods, especially in a time when we have limited Federal resources, and States are scrambling to provide adequate financing for infrastructure projects, that we take and use every mechanism VerDate . 2012 NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE BANK: MORE BUREAUCRACY AND MORE RED TAPE (112–55) HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON HIGHWAYS AND TRANSIT OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE. P:HEARINGS112HT201110-12-~170681.TXT JEAN (1) NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE BANK: MORE BUREAUCRACY AND MORE RED TAPE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011 H OUSE OF R EPRESENTATIVES , S UBCOMMITTEE ON H IGHWAYS AND T RANSIT , C OMMITTEE. topic by entitling the hearing, ‘ National Infrastructure Bank: More Bureaucracy and More Red Tape. ’’ This is certainly a prematurely formed opinion on this matter, and I hope that the majority