The Refutation of Arising from the Four Extremes—Section A 65 [235.19] 2.3.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.2.1.1.2.2 Entities existing simultaneously cannot arise from each other, so arising from other in that situation is untenable If the eye-consciousness exists at the same time as what produces it— The eye and the other conditions, as well as the co-appearing discrimination that occurs— Then what need is there for this already existent eye-consciousness to arise again? If you say that it does not so exist, the faults in that view have already been explained (20) [236.10] The Particularist School18 and others assert that cause and result exist simultaneously According to them, if seed and sprout did not exist at the same time, there would not be different entities existing, and therefore for something to arise from something different than itself would be logically impossible If they did exist simultaneously, however, then since there would be two different things, arising from other could in fact occur, as is the case with the eye-consciousness and all its co-appearing and concomitant mental formations, such as feeling and so forth—these are mutual and simultaneously existent causes and results Thus, the Particularists’ argument runs as follows: “The eye, form, feeling, and the other co-appearing factors produce the eye-consciousness that occurs simultaneously with them, and at the same time, this simultaneously occurring eye-consciousness is a condition for their existence as well.” If, however, the eye-consciousness existed at the same time and as a different entity from those that produce it—the eye, form, and so forth, as well as discrimination and the rest of the primary minds and mental formations—and the eye-consciousness would have to so exist, because if it did not, it could not be posited as being different from its causes, then the question is, why would this already existent result of the eye-consciousness need to arise again? The answer is that it would not, because it would be an existent entity that would have finished arising, and thus the eye, discrimination, and so forth that existed simultaneously with it would not in any way fulfill the function of being its producing causes 66 The Moon of Wisdom &A-!J-*J-2-3J.-0J?-.J-3J.-.R-8J-/, J-{.-5-2-:.A=-;R.-0-3-;A/-0:A-]R-=?-3A$-=-?R$?-0-i3?-$8/-3-;A/-/R-8J?-*J?-02>.-9A/-+R, ,.J?-/-i3-0-,3?-&.-.-$8/-=?-*J-8J?-0:A-2eR.-L:A-.R/IA?-!R%-0:A-1-43-:2:-8A$-=?-0